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How "much" MIDI controller is useful?

Discussion in 'Photoshop & External Editors' started by PhilBurton, Jan 18, 2017.

  1. PhilBurton

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    If you are interested in a MIDI controller, with software like LR Controller, that website shows support for MIDI controllers with 10X price range. How much is "too little to be useful" and how much is "more than you really need?"

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  2. Victoria Bampton

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    If I was buying a midi controller, it would be one with motorized sliders (like the BCF2000). That's worth the extra price tag and desk space. At the lower-mid end, it's more about the kind of dials or sliders. The ones with endless dials (like the X-Touch mini, from memory) are more useful in a LR environment than ones that have a fixed range (like the nanokontrol).
     
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    How much can a good MIDI controller substitute for a Shuttle Pro? Or are they additive?

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  4. Victoria Bampton

    Victoria Bampton Lightroom Queen / Owner Staff Member Administrator Moderator Lightroom Guru

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    Erm, let's put it this way... I stuck with my Shuttle and the midi controllers are in a box. If you go with a midi controller, you basically clear your desk of everything else, and hope it has the all the controls you need. Oh, and if they're not using the SDK, hope the developer's quick to issue an update whenever Lightroom's updated. Ok, that's a bit extreme, but you get the idea. Whereas the Shuttle compliments your mouse/tablet/keyboard, the midi controller mindset attempts to take over. Some like that, others don't.
     
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    Victoria,

    Thank you for that really clear explanation. I think I'll forget about a MIDI controller. on the other hand, is that UK Shuttle discount going to be extended to the US?

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    I'm not sure Phil, it depends on whether it's a success in the UK.
     
  7. Diko

    Diko Photographer by day. Nerd by night.

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    I would like to join in this topic (as my first comment) I recommend any (new) midi USB mixer that are sold under the 100s - since they save a tremendous time in your workflow. I am using the midi2lr currently with ver. 2.2. It is awesome. Since I am from the begining there I can't tell you much for the learning curve. IMHO for the basics pretty simple, advanced GUI functions (configuration-wise) would take some time.

    I am no affiliate there, but more like an evangelist. An (expensive) alternative would be Loupedeck. Along the price a second setback would be its limitations of buttons and sliders.

    On the other hand as Victoria says - best would be motorized, but not the cheapest option one like the BCF2000, which is the best for the moment as button & slider quantity / price.

    I personally use (both in the same time) the AKAI MIDIMIX & the KORG Nanokontrol 2. Before version 2.2 there was a problem with knob delay - now they have fixed it. I use the AKAI is for major general advanced (and well hidden in GUI settings such as shadow/mid/high light splits, regular high, mid, dark tones... etc. The Nanokontrol I use mainly for local adjustment settings on the fly. I do have custom personal templates ( like for skin, eyes others but as long as they are not obtainable just as right-click I feel it to be faster like that. And every picture has small refinements after all ;)

    Additionally the motorized feedback e.g. setting on 50 knob on 0 was easily solved by full slide both sides untill the hardware setting passes through the software setting. As easy as that. :)

    The truebeauty for anyone reading this topic is that one can experiment in the nick of the time by using the true power of Lightroom.
     
  8. PhilBurton

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    I'm having trouble following this post. It appears that you first talk about midi2lr, which is shareware to control any MIDI controllers. Then you are talking about different MIDI controllers. But you also add in some comments about the midi2lr software on these devices. Is this summary correct? What are you trying to say here? That using one of these controllers for Develop module settings means no keyboard/mouse is needed?

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  9. Diko

    Diko Photographer by day. Nerd by night.

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    OK. Aplogies. So:

    1/ I recommend MIDI2LRas a free (it is NOT share, but donateware - I did already in early stage of development and plan to donate again some day).

    2/ Confirm Victoria's words that so far for MIDI2LR (and probably the rest of possible tools of which I am not aware of at the moment) the BCF2000 is the best motorized MIDI usb mixer.

    3/ Share my config of 2 non-motorized USB MIDI mixers: AKAI MIDIMIX & the KORG Nanokontrol 2 as tools to use with the MIDI2LR plugin. I use them all in development module only.

    4/ I explain what is the difference between motorized and non-motorized USB MIDI mixers in their utilization by MIDI2LR.

    5/ I promote the usage of MIDI mixers in every day LR workflow.

    As for the Mouse/Keyboard question - a good one and NO I use them all the time. ;) Both of those input devices in my case are actually expensive gaming versions - due to their extra collection of additional buttons and automatic software recognition. That means that my SteelSeries Apex350 bounds its M1 button in PS for creating new layers and in LR it switches to the HUE Targeted adjustment tool ;)

    I can share more but not in this topic. Actually plan to share more in near future. Time is the issue ;)

    Hope this time was better explained and left you with fewer questions :D
     
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    This is my experience too
     
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    Talking of MIDI controllers...

    I thought this was potentially a nice idea and something I'd not thought of but for me, the limitation/annoyance would be with controls named either generically (F1, F2, F3 etc) or for a musical environment (Track, Stop, Rewind etc).

    But today I came across this: Loupedeck
    A control deck made specifically for Lightroom!

    There's a review of it here: Review: Loupedeck the Lightroom controller

    But ouch - it's €329.00.
     
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    Yep. Mentioned it in my first post here. ;) However for me it is very limited to what how can be used ;) Otherwise gorgeous layout indeed.... but not enough buttons.
     
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    Ah - oops, sorry. :eek: Always late to the party...
     
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    The Pusher Labs sells that bundle the BCF2000 with their software is out of stock. I was considering the Loupedeck but like many said not enough customization.

    Is there a difference between the BCF2000 bundle that PFixer sells vs getting it from someone like B&H or Adorama? I need it quick and dont want to wait. Also, what are your thoughts about the new Pluto, wireless. They claim it is the best. Dont know about not having dedicated sliders...Hmmm.

    Thanks
     
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    Oooooh. I haven't tried the Pluto, but just from looking at it, I'd still go with the BCF2000. (To be fair, I'd still go with the Shuttle, but if those are the options...). According to their help page, PFixer works fine with the factory defaults when bought new, but may need resetting if you buy a second hand one, and you can buy their custom overlay for it.

    Of course the benefit of buying the BCF2000 separately is you can download the PFixer trial, and send the BCF2000 back if you decide you don't like it after all.
     
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    Xtremist version seems really nice, but like 6 times the price of my setting. OF course my sliders are not self-updating. BCF2000. As for the software... I use Midi2LR. Works just perfect. I've donated for devs' efforts. Will do soon again.
     

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